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PS3 Legal Troubles: Hackers Get Served Legal Docs
Uh oh... Scary stuff in the US... Forget PSN bans, Sony is going hard -- geohot and fail0verflow have updated their respective websites -- they both got served with some scary DMCA legal biz. Listed are the defendants George Hotz, Hector Martin (marcan), and Sven Peter ... the last two being members of team fail0verflow. Also 100 others have to now lawyer up. Read the docs on either site. They're filled with what I'd call inaccuracies, but then again I'm no lawyer.
Update: Here at psx-scene are more official SCEA court docs.
Update: David S. Touretzky, who is a Research Professor of Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon University, has challenged Sony by straight up cloning geohot's site, including the keys and jailbreak download. That's awesome. So is Touretzky's note to Sony lawyers:
...no doubt you're eager to rack up another billable hour by sending legal threats to me and my university. Before you go down that unhappy road, check out what happened the last time a large corporation tried to stop the mirroring of technical information here: The Gallery of CSS Descramblers. Have you learned anything in ten years?
Haha... CSS, DVDs... I almost forgot about those.
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omg....he didnt do anything wrong.
Sony you have gone to far.
this is ridiculous its our PS3 why are we being penalized for modifieng what we own?
it's your PS3, its not your code, you own the console but the operating system that runs on it is the property of Sony, moral issue aside, either you're doing it, or you're not, don't try to justify this crap legally because you're sounding like an idiot, did you ever read a legal disclaimer on anything? I think it's about time to read the one on your PS3, just because you own something doesn't give you the automatic legal right to do with it as you will, otherwise Michael Vick would be in no trouble, after all, he "owned" those dogs, so he can do with them as he will, right?
i read one of the documents says US court vs george hotzand another group zoola or something like that must be failoverflow maybe not sure. Im backing hotz all the way freedom to the people by the way 5th lol ;p
I disliked that fag and called him a media whore in the previous news. Now I compassion to his problems.He jailbroke apple and had no lawsuits, why the hell by providing some stupid shit he got from HIS console caused him that trouble?! btw geohot did you create a psn account? sony lamers claim you violate the psn agreements xD psn user agreements * no I should create a geohot account on psn just for the lulz xD
I not sure if you’re located in US or not. I not sure if FailOverFlow is in the us ether but here a news article that may help you if you are.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38...”The decision to allow the practice commonly known as "jailbreaking" is one of a handful of new exemptions from a 1998 federal law”“In addition to jailbreaking, other exemptions announced Monday would:allow owners of used cell phones to break access controls on their phones in order to switch wireless carriers. allow people to break technical protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws. allow college professors, film students and documentary filmmakers to break copy-protection measures on DVDs so they can embed clips for educational purposes, criticism, commentary and noncommercial videos. allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices called dongles if the dongle no longer works and cannot be replaced. allow blind people to break locks on electronic books so that they can use them with read-aloud software and similar aides.Although the jailbreaking exemption is new, all the others are similar to the last set of exemptions, which were announced in November 2006. The new rules take effect Tuesday and are expected to last a few years.”“Jennifer Stisa Granick, EFF's civil liberties director, said the rules are based on an important principle: Consumers should be allowed to use and modify the devices that they purchase the way they want. "If you bought it, you own it," she said.”
The previous stuff i posted is from irc conversation between Mathieulh and Geohot.+This is why ps3scene should be a private scene group!
NO. That will help to kill the scene. Let it be public. As long as none of Sony's code is provided in what they release, it will be almost impossible to get them to be found guilty. In the Xbox 1 days few sites hosted homebrew developed using the XDK because it is technically copyright infringement. Don't use their SDK or their pre-compiled software, no problem.As for jailbreaking: I absolutely hate that term. This is a softmod at best. They're basically the same, though so it will be interesting to see where this goes.
geohot hope you able to find a good laywer..is there somebody here that could help this man!im hating sony more and more
So long as we do not harm PSN Game Servers, and Store we should be fine playing our games online. We are not hurting anybody, I have not been banned yet, but I will also know that I have not harmed $ony's servers in any way what-so-ever, if anyone/everyone who has 3.55JB on their systems gets banned, $ony is just slitting heir own throat. Less players for $ony, more for Xlink Kai.
This is BS, what the hell is sony talking about circumvention devices. they didnt sell any devices to circumvent the keys. instead they hacked the shit out of a system and figured out how stupid Sony's security had on its keys. We'll see how far this goes
US courts need to read these forums and comments its not just 4-5 guys ie failoverflow and hotz its us all thousnds and thousands ill back hotz all the way and overflow hope the US court can see through Sonys billion/trillion pound empire vs a kid with fifty bucks Be humane sony and leave hotz alone or employ him hes got no money take his fifty bucks and fk off back to Hong Kong
japan dumbass
What??? YOU the dumbass! SO STFU!!
lol lol lol lol lol lolJust kidding!
I read through some of points, geohot is in big trouble and need a good lawyer :(He need our help guyz
It's a waste of Sony's time as well as their money. This is just to scare other hackers out there working. Wasn't aware that there are any laws against hacking a console.....that's because there isn't.
erm i know there from japan i was meerly taking the piss out of them like calling an aussie a Kiwi read it understand it was a comical ending
Jailbreaking was taking to the supreme court and was deemed legal!he had no intent of letting us run backups and that was a smart decision.and for the record homebrew is legal and is not hurting anyone!
just get someone else to answer the door and say he doesint stay there anymore lmao na but seriously thats shit what about the original ps3 owners that got other os taken away that must be classed as false advertising there must be a law against that
want the truth looks fake to me...first off if this case is indeed to be tried in california...under law they have to give you more than 24 hours notice to appear, this is basically what you call an initial hearing..meaning they ask if you are guilty or not, but under law they give way MORE THAN 24 HOURS FOR THE DEFENDANTS TO HIRE COUNSEL...then again what do I know I'm only a make shift paralegal :/
They all have sworn that they wouldn't support piracy. I know piracy is rampant now, but these guys just wanted other OS back. Christ, this shit is bad.Best of luck to Geohot, Team Fail0verFlow, and anyone else who is affected.
depending on how sony's lawyers word it thats all geohot and the failoverflow crew have to prove that they do not, have not, and never will condone piracy. all they need to do is show that on its own geohots CFW cannot load backups without someone else messing with it.BTW off topic or not cause it involves geohot but is piracy on the iphone a huge issue i know the Cydia store doesn't have any as far as i'm aware
That's awesome. A 32 page Ex Parte application. This is a bullying document. It could have been handled in 4 pages tops.
Interesting. In the motion, p. 6 lines 8-9 talk about the release of the master keys publically. In Canada, they're trying to enact measures where ANY circumvention by ANYONE of a TPM constitutes copyright infringement. So, then, is Sony infringing on their own TPMs by signing anything? This submission can't stand up on its own IMHO - if encrypting software using the security key constitutes violating that security key, it is impossible for anybody to encrypt anything anymore.Hilarious. Hotz needs to post the one that actually goes through and is signed by a judge. Otherwise? Hah.
If it were possible to throw people in jail for this type of stuff Apple would have done it a long time ago. How much do you think Apple & AT&T lost from jailbreaking? I'd say both Geo and fail protected themselves. They did not promote any kind of piracy and left that for others. I wasn't going to jailbreak my PS3 but it's on now!
thing is sony have unlimited cash to throw at court cases as many times they want. When this case is over they can file again and again with anything they want that they think Hotz has breached if you ask me sonys headquarters in tokyo or where ever it is should be Hiroshima'd filthy fking rats billions . trillions worth of profit and they out to kill a poor technical wizkid peasant. sony will get slated hard in news for this watch Hotz rise to fame maybe xfactor or Americas got talent Neo Geo For The Win :p
Rumor has it that Sony may be issuing DMCA subpoenas to ISPs to have them hand over information of subscribers who are apparently running backups with jailbroken PS3s. Though not confirmed, I personally wouldn't be playing online right now with a jailbroken PS3. This stuff can be pretty scary.
Overflow ad george get a jewish lawyer they wont let you down.
haha, he deserves it for being such an ass and lying his ass off about 3.21OO...what a punk.
They made jailbreaking legal for the IPhone. Isent that cross platform for anything? But it was not illegal to change a device prier to the FCC making it legal as well.
Serves them right, stealing is wrong and everyone knows piracy is illegal. I am a firm believer in homebrew, but you can tell from these threads most of these people could care less about homebrew and want to pirate games.No "backup manager" for you LOLWait I mean "piracy manager"BTW, sony will ban people that are running cfw, so if I was you, I would go back to ofw.
this is nothing new. When I use to flash homebrew scripts to direc tv H&HU cards,Hughes network did the same thing and subpoenaed alot of script writers to court but failed because they couldnt prove that they were doing so for their own profit. GeoHot,Marcan,failoverflow,etc. can always claim that they did this for their own educational purposes.
Really I believe a boycott could go into affect if the innocent get convicted.
I always tried to look the other way when they removed otherOs! But serving Geohot and fail0verflow! >:( This Really Pisses me off. . .
this is like USA waging a full scale war on a pack of 6 tribal indians in the amazon rain forest. Sony really was pissed by the keys being published online thats what there going to say is why publish to everyone. Id love to kill a jap right about now anyone will do.im purposly going to pirate every game out thnx sony GeoHotz got ya good thistime russled ya feathers eh ? bullying trillion dollar babys
watch youre mouth fuck face!Im japanese!
pffftttt ... who the fuck give a shit what you are!?
Good lord, it would blow to have a multibillion dollar corporation suing you for being a genius.I read through as much of the .pdf's as I could. Seeing lawyerspeak for all the PS3 hacking terms is pretty hilarious. I honestly don't think Sony has a leg to stand on with what they are alleging these gents have done. In essence it almost reads like "we're not suing you for what you were smart enough to find, we're suing you because of what will happen next from other people and we're mad."So they gave a cease and desist to all jailbreaking tools being linked to on their pages. Because we all know they aren't on a billion other sites and being shared on torrents, right? Too late, $ony. You lost.
If I were Geohot, failoverfl0w and whoever else I'd be busting out my mad skills and releasing every bit of pirate, backup, homebrew, etc programs I could just to show Sony that they can pound sand.Do you really think Sony gives a fuck about releasing pirate programs? Nope, they're just in a tizzy that they, a multinational, multibillion-generating company got screwed in the fucking ass by a few programmers in their basements.
Just read that whole pdf and thats some straight bulls**t. We need to help these guys in any way we can.
This is but a scare tactic...last ditch effort.$ONY realizes the system is about to be completely unlocked,best they can do is try to slow our devs down while they look for a a way to patch.These men will not be found guilty,if they even see trial.
before geo release his jailbreak, he should have hidded itself im brazil(my country) or mexico,in the pherifery, becuz this places is higly habitated, and this will make things hard for sony becuz our govern( the brazil govern) doesn´t look for his things, at the moment, the govern is looking on the fucking congress, he is a built trash with mercenaries and clowns...¬¬
This way they protect their reputation.Game devs see that Sony keeps fighting. This is a plus for Sony, no matter the result. This is also a plus for us, cause hackers get more passionate. Until this war is over, we'll be enjoying awesome jailbroken games with psn spoofing. Poor devs, they're still creating uncharted 2, la noire +++ more games. Poor hackers, they still have to hack everytime... Poor myself, I don't even have a PS3. "Poor", you get it?
I WON T BUY ANY PRODUCT OF SONY IN FUTURE
starting to think along the same lines as you! I havn't used my ps3 as much as i have in the last few days! Sonic, donkey kong, mario and street fighter! (all of which i own the originals!)
there's psp2 in the horizon, are you sure?nintendo claims 3ds will be unhackable, i am curious which system will take less to hack.Ps3 was a hidden whore, but in the end she takes all her clothes off, if you know what I mean ;)
yeah talking about your mama dont ya!!!??
i enjoyed pumping yours last night!
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